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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:18 am 
Is there a knot that can be tied to the hook that when pulled will not break at the hook?


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A perfectly tied double San Diego or the Irwin knot. I have seen both of them break above the knot.

Also a properly tied snell on an octopus type hook.

Those are the only ones I know of.

I'm gonna bet the Palomar guys are gonna chime in right about now. ;)

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Fishslayer wrote:
A perfectly tied double San Diego or the Irwin knot. I have seen both of them break above the knot.

Also a properly tied snell on an octopus type hook.

Those are the only ones I know of.

I'm gonna bet the Palomar guys are gonna chime in right about now. ;)

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When you say double SD knot I assume you mean you double the line first and then tie the knot.

I tie the SD knot going through the eye of the hook twice. This I have pulled many many times and it will always break away from the hook. However the two loops through the eye have to lay flat and not crossed. The loops want to cross but with practice I’ve found it best to tie the knot and then right before cinching up against the eye I uncross the loops and pull up to finalize the knot. This knot is stronger than the line and will break above the hook.


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Welcome to WCA!

Another knot to try is the Uni. This is the only knot I use. The double uni has never let me down and the I use the single uni on 20# or less.

On the double you still need to watch out and not cross the lines that go through the eye. A little practice and you will be able to tie it in your sleep.


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A note on the San Diego knot.

It is strongest when cinched down TIGHT!

This was demonstrated to us on the Izor machine. Tightly cinched knots always tested stronger.

By "double SD" I mean double the line over & tie.

I use the "pass the line twice through the eye" technique on trolling jigs or when I have a lot of time. It tested pretty well for me on the Izor machine but it's kinda time consuming & awkward on a pitching deck or in the dark.

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Welcome to WCA!

Another knot to try is the Uni. This is the only knot I use. The double uni has never let me down and the I use the single uni on 20# or less.

On the double you still need to watch out and not cross the lines that go through the eye. A little practice and you will be able to tie it in your sleep.


I think I have tried every knot possible when bench testing and I found all that I tried failed at the eye of the hook. The SD running through the eye twice then tying and pulling tight, I found will not break at the hook when pull tested. However the line has to lay flat against each other going around the eye and properly tied.

Years ago when I was a rookie I lost a 100 + tuna at the boats edge with the line breaking at the hook. I was then on a quest to find a knot that would be stronger than the line, thus utilizing the full strength of the line and not break at the hook.


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The double uni routinely wins the knot tying contests at the shows. I have placed 3rd and 2nd at the day at the docks doing a 5 turn. When tied properly the line will break before the knot.

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Tying the knots right is more crucial then tying the right knot. There in lies the answer.

If you think about it, even the weaker knot designs usually still have 70% or better knot strength. And drags are usually set at 30% of line strength. So almost any knot will work...as long as it is tied right.

The "double" San Diego and Uni are the best IMO but not only can the line not cross at the hook eye...neither can it cross in the coils that form the knot.

If you have eyes like me you just squint at yer knot, convince yerself it's good and curse when you bust off a nice fish.

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Bud wrote:
Tying the knots right is more crucial then tying the right knot.


Bud, it's been my experience that wetting, or properly lubricating the knot before cinching is also crucial, as well as making sure that the line never runs over itself, cutting at the crossing point when tested, but for sure you
MUST be tying any knot correctly.

Double SD knot here is also a favorite, until 100 lb test, then I crimp 'em!

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Double SD knot here is also a favorite, until 100 lb test, then I crimp 'em!


Yup. I actually prefer to crimp 60# if it's on a bait hook that's not ringed. Hella strong & Voila'! Instant ringed hook! :D

I like my trolling feathers to be kinda rigid hence the tied knot.

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Fishslayer wrote:
TunaQ wrote:
Double SD knot here is also a favorite, until 100 lb test, then I crimp 'em!


Yup. I actually prefer to crimp 60# if it's on a bait hook that's not ringed. Hella strong & Voila'! Instant ringed hook!


THAT is why I am a member of several fishing forums, there is always something that I can learn, and THAT is a great idea!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:07 am 
everything, it sets the hook, try it on your arm 8) , and, is a stud of a knot, try cutting it off. i rotate it as to not get it caught in the ring eye. The uni is right there and i half hitch the tag end, primarily for spectra to mono, trolling heavy line, and jigs.


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Lube the know is key - double SD and ya gotta have a lip full of Copenhagen to lube it just right! Adds a little "spice" to the hook / jig!

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